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#108333 Apr 4, 2014

Hi, everyone, I.ve been enjoying reading the posts lately.. I.m glad so many are active on the group.

I.ve been trying to search our message archive, but either it doesn.t allow me to go back far enough or I am not remembering the right keywords to put in.

Does anyone know the rules on putting buttons on men.s vs. women.s jackets?. I.ve had someone tell me that I.m only supposed to use 4-hole buttons on men.s clothing because 2-hole buttons are for women.. That.s news to me, and if it.s right, I.ve done my husband a disservice over the years when I replaced buttons on his suit coats.

Thanks in advance for any opinions,

Lisa, in Alabama



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#108334 Apr 4, 2014

I think as long as you put the buttons on the right side and the button holes on the left side and there are actually buttons sewn in place your dh should be happy.. J. Mine finally gave up on the irritation of a shirt with the buttons on the wrong side... I am not sure there is a RULE or that people would notice, BUT all of his suit and sports coats have four hole buttons... Now I need go look at shirts. ..Hmmm.... Make it easy and go with metal buttons on shanks.. J. He just walked in the room and said he has had bought shirts with two hole buttons on them. and emphasized the importance of buttons on the right and holes on the left.. LOL. Karen PA From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa CoxSent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:13 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108335 Apr 4, 2014

Lisa. do a google search on rules for men's jackets. There are several sites.Sonja from WNY

I think as long as you put the buttons on the right side and the button holes on the left side and there are actually buttons sewn in place your dh should be happy. J Mine finally gave up on the irritation of a shirt with the buttons on the wrong side. I am not sure there is a RULE or that people would notice, BUT all of his suit and sports coats have four hole buttons. Now I need go look at shirts. Hmmm. Make it easy and go with metal buttons on shanks. J He just walked in the room and said he has had bought shirts with two hole buttons on them and emphasized the importance of buttons on the right and holes on the left. LOL. Karen PA From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com[mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa CoxSent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:13 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons







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#108336 Apr 4, 2014

I've seen men's sport shirts with two hole buttons. Shank buttons are very common on blazers, especially navy blue ones. Goldtone shank buttons are much more common than silver tone. For a more rustic look, I like woven leather buttons. Those are best for garments that will be dry cleaned. I've also made a "girl shirt" for an ex boyfriend.Heather

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I think as long as you put the buttons on the right side and the button holes on the left side and there are actually buttons sewn in place your dh should be happy. J Mine finally gave up on the irritation of a shirt with the buttons on the wrong side. I am not sure there is a RULE or that people would notice, BUT all of his suit and sports coats have four hole buttons. Now I need go look at shirts. Hmmm. Make it easy and go with metal buttons on shanks. J He just walked in the room and said he has had bought shirts with two hole buttons on them and emphasized the importance of buttons on the right and holes on the left. LOL. Karen PA From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa CoxSent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:13 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108337 Apr 4, 2014

Well, when I teach critical thinking I remind my students to consider the source... What who really gets to decide what is right or wrong.. Rules change all the time and if we don.t like a rule we can agree to change it and it might change in our life time, or not... Karen in PA From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SonjaSent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:43 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108338 Apr 4, 2014

I guess a man that will stay with you for almost 44 years after you have made him a very bulky knit cardigan with shoulder seams like foot ball pads, jam style swimming trunks with a cotton lining (honestly in the late 60.s the patter said to do that), and a shirt with buttons on the wrong side... he.s a keeper. Karen in PA From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hknight453@...Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:44 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons







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#108339 Apr 4, 2014

My mother had three stepbrothers. Her mother used to make swimsuit linings for boys' bathing suits from girls' nylon underpants. She just cut off the lacy bit from the elastic. Those dried much faster.I've used regular swimsuit lining for the lining of men's jams made from rip stop nylon. Heather

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I guess a man that will stay with you for almost 44 years after you have made him a very bulky knit cardigan with shoulder seams like foot ball pads, jam style swimming trunks with a cotton lining (honestly in the late 60.s the patter said to do that), and a shirt with buttons on the wrong side... he.s a keeper. Karen in PA From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hknight453@...Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 2:44 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108340 Apr 4, 2014

Thanks, Karen, Sonya, and Heather!

I just wondered if there was something lacking in my education!. I.ve known about the right side/left side thing a long time, but I have never heard the 2-hole/4-hole thing.. My hubby hates shank buttons, so I have replaced them on every suit and jacket he has bought, but I never thought to look for how many holes were in the buttons!. I just found something that matched and looked OK color-wise and style-wise.:-)

And Karen, I vote with you!. He.s a keeper!. We all learn as we go.

Lisa, in Alabama From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen BoydSent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:29 PMSubject: RE: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108341 Apr 4, 2014

I would imagine that people would notice color and style before holes... On dress suites which should really match, you can hardly see the holes of the buttons unless you are staring at the mid-section from close range.. If my dad or stepmother were alive, I could ask about military buttons... I sure ironed enough khaki shirts ( with starch) that I should remember, but I don.t.Karen From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa CoxSent: Friday, April 04, 2014 4:06 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons







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#108342 Apr 4, 2014

I should say that I did go on to make him numerous things, but they were not as memorable. Karen in PAFrom: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hknight453@...Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:20 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108343 Apr 5, 2014

My father worked I shirt manufacturing and one of the things I inherited from him was a large tin of shirt buttons. At the time Tern Shirts were the height of fashion and my button tincontains both 4 anc 2 holed buttons. HTHSandie



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#108344 Apr 5, 2014

A great way to remember which side to put the buttonholes on is



Women are RIGHT and men get what is LEFT over.



Works for me every time.

Mary H



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#108345 Apr 5, 2014

Lisa, when I read your post, I was sipping coffee in the morning, still in my jammies, looked down at my buttons. Guess what? They are four-hole buttons. I've always heard the right side vs. left side but never heard anything about two- versus four-hole buttons.

Pam C.

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#108346 Apr 5, 2014

Pam,

I'm glad I'm not the only one! I looked at blouses in my closet and lots of

those have 4-hole buttons. Even some of my jackets do. I guess if I sew

for this gentleman, I just need to write down "no 2-hole buttons" as his

preference. I've never heard of such before.

:-)

Lisa, in Alabama

From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pam Carlson

Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 10:29 AM

Subject: [430_440_630_640_730] Re: 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons

Lisa, when I read your post, I was sipping coffee in the morning, still in

my jammies, looked down at my buttons. Guess what? They are four-hole

buttons. I've always heard the right side vs. left side but never heard

anything about two- versus four-hole buttons.

Pam C







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#108347 Apr 5, 2014

Very interesting reference on buttons! Everything you ever wanted to know but were afraid to ask! Says 4 for men, 2 for women

Diane



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#108349 Apr 5, 2014

I sure ironed enough of those khaki shirts, and pants too. There should bea bunch of old ones around here. Surely after being retired for about 30 yearsthere may be at least one, not that they would fit! I would bet thebuttons on them were 4 holers. The shank buttons on the "blues" were silver. IfI buy a jacket or suit for me that have gold buttons, I always change them tosilver. Karen Brannam

Iwould imagine that people would notice color and style before holes. On dresssuites which should really match, you can hardly see the holes of the buttonsunless you are staring at the mid-section from close range. If my dad orstepmother were alive, I could ask about military buttons. I sure ironed enoughkhaki shirts ( with starch) that I should remember, but Idon.t.

Karen



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#108350 Apr 6, 2014

It looks like Diane is the winner of the Easter Egg hunt! She found a reference that agrees with the gentleman that started all this for me, so now I know he didnt make it up. But I think that except for him, Im still using whatever buttons I like.:-)

Thanks, Diane!

Lisa, in Alabama From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Diane MannSent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 12:25 PMSubject: Re: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108355 Apr 6, 2014

A very, very long time ago......when a gentleman offered his arm to lady, his left arm so that she would be closer to his heart, it was decided to put the open edge on the outside. His to the right and hers to the left and neither offered a revealing gap. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Have fun.Barbara in AR



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#108356 Apr 6, 2014

That.s a charming story and wonderful Victorian explanation!

Lisa, in Alabama From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of barbara.sews@...Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 11:46 AMSubject: [430_440_630_640_730] Re: 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons







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#108357 Apr 6, 2014

Sandie, your inherited button tin sounds awesome!. I have one my great-grandmother gave my mom.. I love going through those buttons.

My husband has some polo-type shirts in his closet with 2-hole buttons on them.. I think I.m not going to worry about it much and just go with what I think looks nice unless the guy I.m sewing for cares.

Let me know if you ever post a pic of your dad.s button tin.. That sounds like a wonderful heirloom!

Lisa, in Alabama From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sandiekeeble@...Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 5:12 AMSubject: [430_440_630_640_730] Re: 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108358 Apr 6, 2014

Hi Lisa, hope you are doing good!

From:

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RE: [430_440_630_640_730] Re: 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons Sent:

Sun, Apr 6, 2014 6:01:47 PM

.Sandie, your inherited button tin sounds awesome!. I have one my great-grandmother gave my mom.. I love going through those buttons.

My husband has some polo-type shirts in his closet with 2-hole buttons on them.. I think I.m not going to worry about it much and just go with what I think looks nice unless the guy I.m sewing for cares.

Let me know if you ever post a pic of your dad.s button tin.. That sounds like a wonderful heirloom!

Lisa, in Alabama .From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sandiekeeble@...Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 5:12 AMSubject: [430_440_630_640_730] Re: 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108360 Apr 6, 2014

All this talk about buttons is interesting but I have a questions about buttonholes - should they be made vertically or horizontally? My aunt has a coat that she claims the buttonholes are made incorrectly as they are horizontal, but all my coats and blouses have are also that way. So which way is correct?

Judi from northern VT







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#108361 Apr 6, 2014

I enjoyed skimming the article and saved it for later. The author said mens buttons typically. So that leaves plenty of room for variation. Karen in PA From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa CoxSent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 12:57 AMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108362 Apr 6, 2014

The problem with that story is that gentleman will change the side he walks on a lady so she is always towards the building and he his towards the traffic.... J. I heard that the reason was started when woman began riding side saddle. They rode on the side the would catch the wind more.. But then doesn.t really make sense either, as I think about it. Karen in PA From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of barbara.sews@...Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 12:46 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: [430_440_630_640_730] Re: 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108363 Apr 6, 2014

I believe that shirts are usually vertical... Men.s suits are usually horizontal, I think.. Outerwear is often horizontal... I have seen it both ways.. ..Horizontal is supposed to be more secure. Karen in PA From: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com [mailto:430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of needlearts@...Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 2:51 PMTo: 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [430_440_630_640_730] 2-hole vs 4-hole buttons



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#108364 Apr 6, 2014

I always heard that men's things were buttoned to the side they are because back in the olden days, only the rich had buttons .. the rest had pins.... and the rich also had their manservants, and the side was set as to the way the servant would butting his master's clothesThen again, I have also heard that this was for the convenience of the lady's maid.Here is another explanation: ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- e






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