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#112330 Feb 26, 2015

I need to decide right away!

Do I get a used 200e, or a 350 Tula Pink Special Edition (new)? Both from a dealership, both with warrantees etc.

I am somewhat interested in learning embroidery, but what I really want is a workhorse that'll last me for 15 years. I'm currently sewing on a Singer 5830C, which I bought as a used teaching machine in 2002.Thank you for the add to the group -- I'm really excited to learn from you all!

- Amasea



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#112335 Feb 27, 2015

The trouble with the older machines is not that they don't still stitch beautifully, or do beautiful embroidery, but it's tough to try to get embroidery designs into the machine itself. Also, the electronic parts aren't all that durable. If they fail, you're looking at a big repair bill, if they still have the pieces. Artists cards are scarcer than hens' teeth. I believe that later 200s had a USB port, but I'm not too sure about the one you're looking at. The Tula Pink machine probably comes at a premium price. Wouldn't a plain 350 do just as nicely? You'd probably still have money left over for a machine with embroidery capabilities... or what about the Bernette Chicago 7? You could dabble in embroidery and still have some money left over to put toward a durable sewing-only machine.

Just me, but I don't think I'd opt for either of those two options. I'm not a big fan of "designer" sewing machines, though. What if I get tired of looking at that faceplate? I like mine plain and unadorned.Lee B



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#112336 Feb 27, 2015

My opinion, is to buy something newer..The 350 as pretty as it is a 3/4 machine.. It also does not have pressure foot control, though I never change mine, .but also do not sew with knits...I think for a long term machine, full size is a better way to go. If you can stretch a bit, a well cared for 630 will last you a long time and you can add embroidery unit.. Or on the lower end a 430 or 440, though I would not buy them for the embroidery as you have to tether them to a computer.. I know so little about embroidery that Im not a good candiate for giving advise, but I do have the 630 and it does great embroidery and is a beautiful sewing machine also.. JMHO







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#112337 Feb 27, 2015

If your #1 criteria is wanting the machine to last 15 years, then definitely go with the new 350. The Artista 200 E came out in 2002 and was replaced by the 730E in 2006, so that technology is already 13 years old and the machine itself is between 9-13 years old depending on how early or late in the model run it was manufactured. Mechanically, Berninas are built sound and are made to go long distance, which is why some of the older mechanical Berninas are still coveted and cherished by their owners. The concern is the expensive and increasingly outdated computer parts in these older computerized machines. No one in their right mind would buy a 12 year old computer with the expectation that it would last them another 15 years.

Rebecca Grace



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#112341 Feb 27, 2015

Thank you all!

I would be getting both machines from a dealer, who said both come with a warrantee and classes, so that's not an issue. Both are on sale (the 200E for about $2200, and the 350 Special for about $1500 -- a much better price than the non-Tula Pink 350s, actually! I'm not too fond of the faceplate, but if I really get sick of it, I can get a new one for not too much, I learned), and though the 200E would be a stretch financially, I was considering whether or not it would be worth the extra $700 to play with the embroidery functions, as I know new embroidery machines *start* at more than double my budget! I haven't done embroidery by machine before except once on a friend's machine, and have been intrigued by it, but I do mostly garment construction and quilting.I've already put a deposit down (I preordered the 350 with the understanding that the deposit could be used on any machine from that dealer). My budget is about $2000, and the 600-level machines are about double that, unfortunately.

I didn't realize how old the 200E was -- thanks for clarifying that! I've also heard that their interface with Microsoft is prone to breaking down and that the machine can take a while to start up and work properly, even when it's in good repair.

The 350 also comes with an extension table, freehand system and walking foot, and two specialty quilting feet. I can't upgrade it to the stitch regulator, but I'm getting fairly decent at freehand quilting anyway.

Unless something I have said here changes your recommendation, I think I'm going to stick with the 350!

Thank you again -- this was extraordinarily helpful :)

- Amasea---In 430_440_630_640_730@yahoogroups.com, rdrumpf@...> wrote :

If your #1 criteria is wanting the machine to last 15 years, then definitely go with the new 350. The Artista 200 E came out in 2002 and was replaced by the 730E in 2006, so that technology is already 13 years old and the machine itself is between 9-13 years old depending on how early or late in the model run it was manufactured. Mechanically, Berninas are built sound and are made to go long distance, which is why some of the older mechanical Berninas are still coveted and cherished by their owners. The concern is the expensive and increasingly outdated computer parts in these older computerized machines. No one in their right mind would buy a 12 year old computer with the expectation that it would last them another 15 years.

Rebecca Grace







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#112345 Feb 28, 2015

I bought a new faceplate for my 630 a few years ago, and it was very reasonable. However, getting it installed was another story! Lots of computer bits and pieces are attached to the faceplate, so it wasn't something I could do myself. My $15 faceplate cost over $100 to install! Just FYI.

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Sandy

---Links-Are-Forbidden--- from my . iPad > I'm not too fond of the faceplate, but if I really get sick of it, I can get a new one for not too much, I learned),



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#112349 Feb 28, 2015

HelloJust my little impute _I have both the 350 Special Edition(dragon fly front) and a 730 E (bought second hand from dealer about 3 years ago)Have been very happy with both, for different reasons, use 730 mainly for embroidery and the 350 is the one on sewing retreats or a quick something needing binding or such, on dining room table -Good luck with your machine, whichever you choose, I don't think you can go wrong with the 350 -I do also have, the 440 (yes, 3 Berninas) !!up in my sewing room in table, some of the things I miss, is choosing stitches on 350 and not having stitch picture on screen, like the 440 so, little things, honestly, that is about it, but you have e card with stitches on and I take a scrap and do a little of the stitch to make sure that is what I want -Sure they can show you at dealerGinny A

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If your #1 criteria is wanting the machine to last 15 years, then definitely go with the new 350. The Artista 200 E came out in 2002 and was replaced by the 730E in 2006, so that technology is already 13 years old and the machine itself is between 9-13 years old depending on how early or late in the model run it was manufactured. Mechanically, Berninas are built sound and are made to go long distance, which is why some of the older mechanical Berninas are still coveted and cherished by their owners. The concern is the expensive and increasingly outdated computer parts in these older computerized machines. No one in their right mind would buy a 12 year old computer with the expectation that it would last them another 15 years.

Rebecca Grace







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#112350 Feb 28, 2015

~~Ask your dealer about buying a 530 opposed to the 350~~

FWIW, I was at the Bernina dealer store earlier this week and they had the 530 marked down--can't remember but it was discounted about $1400. If I were in the market, I would have considered it. The big throat was very attractive to me after FMQ on my 930 Record.

HTHRita :^) in Colo



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#112353 Feb 28, 2015

I've never owned a 440, but I know they're much prized by everyone who does. I'd lean toward that option myself over either of the other two. even though it is an older model, LCD displays are pretty reliable.

Lee B


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