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#11625 Oct 15, 1999

This question concerns using manual pushbutton switches in conjunction with

DS54s for turnout control. I haven't mastered the message type codes in the

DS54 manual yet, especially those in the footnotes g>.

Is there a hex value for a switch or aux message CV that differentiates

between a closed or thrown command or must you use positive turnout position

feedback to achieve this?

Example:

If I throw a turnout with a pushbutton I need a "switch thrown (Off)" LocoNet

message and if I close a turnout I need a "switch closed (On)" LocoNet

message. It doesn't matter if the messages are actually "thrown or closed"

as long as a change of state is identified and distinct messages are sent.

This question is primarily directed to WinLok, Railroad&Co. and other

operating software users. I need the CV value that will update the onscreen

turnout icons the same as if a turnout command was made by a handheld

throttle or an onscreen switchboard, if this is possible.

Best regards,

Britt Harrington



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#11640 Oct 15, 1999

Britt,

Not really sure how far you need to carry your messages here based on the

info you supplied. Let me explain on the DS54 messages on output state of

turnouts, etc.

First, if you have not been to my site on the DS54 please do so at this time

as it will help here.

At: ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- as far as turnout positioning. If you really need one for thrown and

one for closed, then you will have to use exact position feedback, these are

Message CV values '02' & '0A'.

But if you only need to know the turnout has changed position, then you only

need Message CV values either, '80' or '81' both will send the message that

the turnout has changed position. This works just the same as the throttles

and WinLok, not sure about RR&CO, do not use it.

On my system, if I use a local panel pushbutton, throttle, or WinLok, with

the output message '81' everything updates properly on all indicators,

WinLok, etc. Keep in mind, this works just like the throttles, in the effect

that exact positoning is not in use, just that the output has been toggled.

So this only says the command was sent to throw the turnout to the other

position, not that it really has happened, only it was supposed to, and is

assumed it has. For just about everything but automatic operations, and

hidden areas, this seems to work for me, and has proven very reliable so

far.

Also note Digitrax/WinLok at GPon, will interigate the DS54's and check

current status, if no then it may required two throws to get all indicators

to show proper position relationship. But for me this has not been a

problem at all, seems WinLok and Digitrax do it all properly from bootup and

GPon.

Remember Always Have Fun and Enjoy!,

Don Crano Akron, Oh NMRA #096211

mailto:donc@...

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Subject: [Digitrax] DS54/LocoNet Messages

From: FBritt@...

This question concerns using manual pushbutton switches in conjunction with

DS54s for turnout control. I haven't mastered the message type codes in the

DS54 manual yet, especially those in the footnotes g>.

Is there a hex value for a switch or aux message CV that differentiates

between a closed or thrown command or must you use positive turnout position

feedback to achieve this?

Example:

If I throw a turnout with a pushbutton I need a "switch thrown (Off)"

LocoNet

message and if I close a turnout I need a "switch closed (On)" LocoNet

message. It doesn't matter if the messages are actually "thrown or closed"

as long as a change of state is identified and distinct messages are sent.

This question is primarily directed to WinLok, Railroad&Co. and other

operating software users. I need the CV value that will update the onscreen

turnout icons the same as if a turnout command was made by a handheld

throttle or an onscreen switchboard, if this is possible.

Best regards,

Britt Harrington







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#101297 Jun 4, 2006

I have been having problems with the relays contained within my

Tortoise switch machines for a while now. It used to only be a

problem with power routing to the frogs but now it is starting to show

up with the position reporting sent over the LocoNet. This is

screwing up my signals controlled by RR & Co.

Before I rip out my DS54 units to reprogram them, I want to make sure

that I understand what changes to make to the programing. I have been

using standard position reporting with a value of 02 set in CV's 42,

44, 46, and 48. According to the manual, CV's 42, 44, 46, and 48 set

to a value of 81 will send an output change message over LocoNet.

Will this work with RR & Co. to see the change in position when I

press my momentary pushbuttons?

Thank you for your help.

David



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#101298 Jun 5, 2006

To: David

I must be missing something in your message. If your DS54 worked properly

in the past why would you want to reprogram them? Better still why would

you have to remove ("rip out") the DS54 to reprogram it?

You have identified a known problem with the Tortoise switch contacts. Why

would you not focus of correcting the problem with the Tortoise units? I

have had to remove one of my (thirty-two) Tortoise to correct a misalignment

of the switch contact. I believe that either Don Crano or Les Halmos has a

write-up on their website that discusses corrective maintenance of the

Tortoise.

Bob Young

Clinton, ON

N0M 1L0

Canada's Other West Coast

E'Mail: bob.young@...

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To: Digitrax@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:53 PM

Subject: [Digitrax] DS54 LocoNet Messages

> I have been having problems with the relays contained within my

> Tortoise switch machines for a while now. It used to only be a

> problem with power routing to the frogs but now it is starting to show

> up with the position reporting sent over the LocoNet. This is

> screwing up my signals controlled by RR & Co.

>

> Before I rip out my DS54 units to reprogram them, I want to make sure

> that I understand what changes to make to the programing. I have been

> using standard position reporting with a value of 02 set in CV's 42,

> 44, 46, and 48. According to the manual, CV's 42, 44, 46, and 48 set

> to a value of 81 will send an output change message over LocoNet.

> Will this work with RR & Co. to see the change in position when I

> press my momentary pushbuttons?







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#101299 Jun 5, 2006

Don Crano has an article tilted "Modifying a Tortoise! -- Or you might ask

WHY?" here:

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From: Digitrax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Digitrax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of Bob Young

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 8:14 PM

To: Digitrax@yahoogroups.com

Cc: empirita@...

Subject: Re: [Digitrax] DS54 LocoNet Messages

To: David

I must be missing something in your message. If your DS54 worked properly

in the past why would you want to reprogram them? Better still why would

you have to remove ("rip out") the DS54 to reprogram it?

You have identified a known problem with the Tortoise switch contacts. Why

would you not focus of correcting the problem with the Tortoise units? I

have had to remove one of my (thirty-two) Tortoise to correct a misalignment

of the switch contact. I believe that either Don Crano or Les Halmos has a

write-up on their website that discusses corrective maintenance of the

Tortoise.

Bob Young

Clinton, ON

N0M 1L0

Canada's Other West Coast

E'Mail: bob.young@...

Web Site: ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- /


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