Messages From ldsig

 


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#15157 Aug 27, 2000

Hi! My turn to start a new thread. grin> :~)

I will be starting construction of a new layout later this Fall. It is to

be fit into a 15.5'x28' rectangular space [room] with an entry door in one

corner. You can see the room design at . . .

---Links-Are-Forbidden--- The layout

room in on the left in the drawing.

I thought that I would toss out my wants, likes and dislikes and see what

y'all come up with that I might be able to use in designing the layout. So,

here goes . . .

Likes:

(1) NYC and NKP as primary railroads of interest

(2) single level layout

(3) single track mainline with plenty of industries to switch

(4) I love operating "local" trains that make all the pick-ups and set-outs

and have to take the siding for most every other train encountered

(5) 48" to 54" layout height

(6) linear track plan design

(7) around the walls design

(8) can be maintained and operated by myself, not needing a crew of people

(9) can be operated by up to 6 people should guest modelers be on hand

(10) maximum layout "depth" of about 30-inches

(11) minimum layout depth of about 15-inched

(12) conventional electrical control

(13) walk-around train control where I play as engineer, brakeman, and

conductor!

(14) Ability to turn it on and let it run

(15) one [hidden] yard that dispatches in both directions???

Dislikes:

(1) multi-deck layouts

(2) spaghetti-bowl track plans

(3) fast trains that make few if any stops

(4) large yards that eat up layout space that could be used for the

mainline [branchline]

(5) lots of scenery that eat up construction time and resources

(6) hard shell scenery

(7) lichen! grin>

(8) DCC

(9) Tower control

(10) control panels

Right now, I am researching the area from just east of Norwalk, Ohio to

Fremont, Ohio. In this stretch both the NYC Norwalk Branch and the NKP

Wheeling District single track lines paralleled one another in close

proximity which gives me both the NYC and NKP plus single-track rural

operation that has plenty of sidings with customers to service.

Also, the B&O Sandusky branch interchanged with both the NYC and NKP at

Monroeville. And, . . . the NKP mainline and PRR Sandusky Branch

intersect/interchange with both the NYC and NKP at Bellevue. Not done yet,

. . . the NYC Big-4 branch interchanged at Clyde just west of Bellevue.

I have pretty much decided that this is the area I want to model. The

question is, what will be the layout design/track plan? How much of this

area can be fit into my available space? This is where I believe that y'all

will be able to help -- I hope! 8~)

From the Great North American "Outback,"

Jim Six

Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

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#15174 Aug 27, 2000

I may be too late, but I too thought first of DCC until I remembered the

threads on the subject on the PM-list, so didn't post. It was well-discussed

in a reasonable fashion and we can save a lot of bandwidth by not trying to

convince Jim to go DCC against his list of givens and druthers.

Bob Zoeller



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#15175 Aug 27, 2000

Hi Jim, Jon Cure here. On the Clinchfield List with you. Funny

how you popped in just now. I have at my desk here the March

Apr. Prototype-modeler with your SDP45 on the cover. Nice.

Another list member, Bruce Smith (who hasn't responded!) was

looking for the issue.

Let me say 1st I know squat about northern Ohio, I grabbed a

map (Delorme of course) to look at your interest area. These

tracks must be really close. Do you have any interest in doing

the yard areas in Belleview? It would seem in a simple around

the walls design that if you flattened out the interlocking you

could model the 2 railroads where they cross, the associated

yards or part thereof, the interchange traffic and nearby

industries. Careful placement of large industries like the

auto/truck parts plant that Bill U. Suggested behind the yard

could yield an long inside spot for auto-parts box cars. Just

model the wall of the building with a long track/tracks going

in. I would also suggest this building run into a corner to help

hide it. Careful placement of a grain elevator and associated

silos near the same junction could yield the looks of a busy

down town interlocking. this also concentrates the urban area to

allow you to have some more rural, which actually sets your area

more.

If you can deal with a slight elevation difference you could

have some open staging. In an area of light industry run you

main/s through the front with your switching. have a fence and

slight bank (up or down) and have your staging yard behind. That

way it is visible but acts like scenery. If the difference is

enough the line, from staging, could pop out from under a small

girder bridge to start their run across the layout.

Hope this helps. Now; you need to get some plan down on paper

so we on the list have something to look at and critique.

Good Luck, and I won't tell the Clinchfield guys your modeling

Ohio.

JonC.........SP Inyo Sub.

Mojave to Battle Mountain over Montgomery Pass. Serving the

Owens Valley, Potash and Copper industry.

-----Original Message-----

From: Jim Six [mailto:jimsix@...]

Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:16 AM

To: ldsig@egroups.com

Subject: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

Hi! My turn to start a new thread. grin> :~)

I will be starting construction of a new layout later this Fall.

It is to

be fit into a 15.5'x28' rectangular space [room] with an entry

door in one

corner. You can see the room design at . . .

---Links-Are-Forbidden--- layout

room in on the left in the drawing.

I thought that I would toss out my wants, likes and dislikes and

see what

y'all come up with that I might be able to use in designing the

layout. So,

here goes . . .

Likes:

(1) NYC and NKP as primary railroads of interest

(2) single level layout

(3) single track mainline with plenty of industries to switch

(4) I love operating "local" trains that make all the pick-ups

and set-outs

and have to take the siding for most every other train

encountered

(5) 48" to 54" layout height

(6) linear track plan design

(7) around the walls design

(8) can be maintained and operated by myself, not needing a

crew of people

(9) can be operated by up to 6 people should guest modelers be

on hand

(10) maximum layout "depth" of about 30-inches

(11) minimum layout depth of about 15-inched

(12) conventional electrical control

(13) walk-around train control where I play as engineer,

brakeman, and

conductor!

(14) Ability to turn it on and let it run

(15) one [hidden] yard that dispatches in both directions???

Dislikes:

(1) multi-deck layouts

(2) spaghetti-bowl track plans

(3) fast trains that make few if any stops

(4) large yards that eat up layout space that could be used for

the

mainline [branchline]

(5) lots of scenery that eat up construction time and resources

(6) hard shell scenery

(7) lichen! grin>

(8) DCC

(9) Tower control

(10) control panels

Right now, I am researching the area from just east of Norwalk,

Ohio to

Fremont, Ohio. In this stretch both the NYC Norwalk Branch and

the NKP

Wheeling District single track lines paralleled one another in

close

proximity which gives me both the NYC and NKP plus single-track

rural

operation that has plenty of sidings with customers to service.

Also, the B&O Sandusky branch interchanged with both the NYC and

NKP at

Monroeville. And, . . . the NKP mainline and PRR Sandusky

Branch

intersect/interchange with both the NYC and NKP at Bellevue.

Not done yet,

. . . the NYC Big-4 branch interchanged at Clyde just west of

Bellevue.

I have pretty much decided that this is the area I want to

model. The

question is, what will be the layout design/track plan? How

much of this

area can be fit into my available space? This is where I

believe that y'all

will be able to help -- I hope! 8~)

From the Great North American "Outback,"

Jim Six

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#15188 Aug 27, 2000

At 01:03 PM 08/27/2000 EDT, bobspf@... wrote: >I may be too late, but I too thought first of DCC until I remembered the

>threads on the subject on the PM-list, so didn't post. It was well-discussed

>in a reasonable fashion and we can save a lot of bandwidth by not trying to

>convince Jim to go DCC against his list of givens and druthers.

Or not. If not DCC, tower control, or control panels, what's left?

Wind-up? GGG>

I don't know why Jim doesn't want DCC. Does that include ALL "CC" systems,

or just the NMRA DCC standard? Jerry Bellina makes a nice non-DCC command

control system called RailLynx, and Rich Weyand has an electronic

progressive-cab system (???).

Regards, Mike

------

Mike Dodd - Montpelier, VA

Modeling Virginian Railway, 1956

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#15189 Aug 27, 2000

Hi Mike,

I am simply not interested in DCC or CC or any other types of control like

them. I prefer to use a good old fashioned throttle with no gadgets

squeezed in under the carbody of my locomotives. I plan my layout to be

simple and will use walk-around plug-in of radio control to operate the

layout. I will have my "block" controls on the edge of the layout where

they are easily accessed by the train crew [me] as I work my train around

the layout. Most of my trains will be locals with one or two locomotives

that work together just fine as is.

I am very glad that so many people have come to appreciate and like DCC and

other command control systems -- my good friend Tony Koester for one.

grin> But I am simply not interested.

I am a very strong proponent of "keep it simple" when it comes to the hobby

FOR ME. I could get a lot of railroad into a 15-8x28 foot room, but that is

not what I want for myself. I want something that is reasonable FOR ME to

build, that is not too costly FOR ME [I have many interests other than model

railroading], and something that is easy FOR ME to maintain and operate.

For me, more is not necessarily better.

Trains are my hobby. My wife is my obsession! VBG> ;~))

Jim Six

Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

---Links-Are-Forbidden--- ----- Original Message -----

From: "Mike Dodd" mdodd@...>

To: bobspf@...>; ldsig@egroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:31 PM

Subject: [ldsig] Re: Jim needs layout design help

> At 01:03 PM 08/27/2000 EDT, bobspf@... wrote:

> >I may be too late, but I too thought first of DCC until I remembered the

> >threads on the subject on the PM-list, so didn't post. It was

well-discussed

> >in a reasonable fashion and we can save a lot of bandwidth by not trying

to

> >convince Jim to go DCC against his list of givens and druthers.

>

> Or not. If not DCC, tower control, or control panels, what's left?

> Wind-up? GGG>

>

> I don't know why Jim doesn't want DCC. Does that include ALL "CC"

systems,

> or just the NMRA DCC standard? Jerry Bellina makes a nice non-DCC command

> control system called RailLynx, and Rich Weyand has an electronic

> progressive-cab system (???).

>

> Regards, Mike

>

> ------

> Mike Dodd - Montpelier, VA

> Modeling Virginian Railway, 1956

> ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- >







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#15211 Aug 27, 2000

Hi Jim

Coming into this a little late so am not sure if you mentioned have a

dispatcher. If you are a method used by a club here in Toronto and I imagine

elsewhere is to have the dispatcher assign throttles to a block at the same

time as signals and routings.

Bob



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#15217 Aug 28, 2000

Bryan,

I am open to minimum radius, but really wish to go 36-inch or better but

feel this may not be possible. As for locomotives I will be running

anything from an NKP Berkshire 2-8-4 to EMD E6 units. Most of my power will

be 4-axle diesels, but there will be a good many 6-axle diesels as well. I

do want to run a passenger train here and there, but this will not be part

of a true operating session of I do model the Norwalk-Bellevue-Fremont area

because passenger trains did not operate along these line in my period.

Jim Six

Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

---Links-Are-Forbidden--- ----- Original Message -----

From: "Bryan K. Lemonds" bklemonds@...>

To: "Jim Six" jimsix@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:47 PM

Subject: Re: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

> Jim:

>

> I would like some more information regarding your needs. I do need to

know

> what you want your minimum radius to be & your minimum turnout. What type

> of equipment do you intend to run (GP's & 40' or SD's & Passenger Cars.

>

> I believe that you can eliminate the duckunder with a loop to loop with a

> center peninsula. I hate duckunders personally and will go to great

lengths

> to avoid them. I can envision 4 towns with the longest wall being the

main

> yard/industrial complex. David Barrows has been doing interesting work

in

> Industrial areas as well.

>

> Good Luck on the planning.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Bryan Lemonds

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Jim Six" jimsix@...>

> To: ldsig@egroups.com>

> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:16 AM

> Subject: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

>

>

> > Hi! My turn to start a new thread. grin> :~)

> >

> > I will be starting construction of a new layout later this Fall. It is

to

> > be fit into a 15.5'x28' rectangular space [room] with an entry door in

one

> > corner. You can see the room design at . . .

> > ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- The

layout

> > room in on the left in the drawing.

> >

> > I thought that I would toss out my wants, likes and dislikes and see

what

> > y'all come up with that I might be able to use in designing the layout.

> So,

> > here goes . . .

> >

> > Likes:

> > (1) NYC and NKP as primary railroads of interest

> > (2) single level layout

> > (3) single track mainline with plenty of industries to switch

> > (4) I love operating "local" trains that make all the pick-ups and

> set-outs

> > and have to take the siding for most every other train encountered

> > (5) 48" to 54" layout height

> > (6) linear track plan design

> > (7) around the walls design

> > (8) can be maintained and operated by myself, not needing a crew of

> people

> > (9) can be operated by up to 6 people should guest modelers be on hand

> > (10) maximum layout "depth" of about 30-inches

> > (11) minimum layout depth of about 15-inched

> > (12) conventional electrical control

> > (13) walk-around train control where I play as engineer, brakeman, and

> > conductor!

> > (14) Ability to turn it on and let it run

> > (15) one [hidden] yard that dispatches in both directions???

> >

> > Dislikes:

> > (1) multi-deck layouts

> > (2) spaghetti-bowl track plans

> > (3) fast trains that make few if any stops

> > (4) large yards that eat up layout space that could be used for the

> > mainline [branchline]

> > (5) lots of scenery that eat up construction time and resources

> > (6) hard shell scenery

> > (7) lichen! grin>

> > (8) DCC

> > (9) Tower control

> > (10) control panels

> >

> > Right now, I am researching the area from just east of Norwalk, Ohio to

> > Fremont, Ohio. In this stretch both the NYC Norwalk Branch and the NKP

> > Wheeling District single track lines paralleled one another in close

> > proximity which gives me both the NYC and NKP plus single-track rural

> > operation that has plenty of sidings with customers to service.

> >

> > Also, the B&O Sandusky branch interchanged with both the NYC and NKP at

> > Monroeville. And, . . . the NKP mainline and PRR Sandusky Branch

> > intersect/interchange with both the NYC and NKP at Bellevue. Not done

> yet,

> > . . . the NYC Big-4 branch interchanged at Clyde just west of Bellevue.

> >

> > I have pretty much decided that this is the area I want to model. The

> > question is, what will be the layout design/track plan? How much of

this

> > area can be fit into my available space? This is where I believe that

> y'all

> > will be able to help -- I hope! 8~)

> >

> > From the Great North American "Outback,"

> > Jim Six

> >

> > Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

> > ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>







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#15219 Aug 28, 2000

Hi Bob,

I want to operate without a dispatcher. However, if there are 4 or 5 people

in the operating session it would be kind of nice having a dispatcher. Not

sure.

Jim Six

Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

---Links-Are-Forbidden--- ----- Original Message -----

From: "hillrk" hillrk@...>

To: bobspf@...>; ldsig@egroups.com>; "Mike Dodd"

mdodd@...>; "Jim Six" jimsix@...>

Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 7:44 PM

Subject: Re: [ldsig] Re: Jim needs layout design help

> Hi Jim

>

> Coming into this a little late so am not sure if you mentioned have a

> dispatcher. If you are a method used by a club here in Toronto and I

imagine

> elsewhere is to have the dispatcher assign throttles to a block at the

same

> time as signals and routings.

>

> Bob

>

>

>

>

>

>



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#15262 Aug 28, 2000

Jim Six wrote: > Hi Bob,

>

> I want to operate without a dispatcher. However, if there are 4 or 5 people

> in the operating session it would be kind of nice having a dispatcher. Not

> sure.

>



Jim,

Have you had the opportunity to operate on other model railroads? A bit of

action experience may help in the decision making process. A few op til you

drop sessions are coming up in Illinois and Colorado. Another is held in

Michigan, but I'm unsure of the date.

If those are too far away, there may be some other layouts closer to the

'Outback' in which you live.

Eric Hansmann

Morgantown, W.Va.



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#15308 Aug 28, 2000

Jim:

I would stick to 36" radius curves if you are running 2-8-4's on your

layout. That is what I am using but I really could use more with my

4-8-4's. Let me work on it awhile and I will get back to you.

You might want to check out Easy Cab from CVP Products. It is a DC product

with walk around cabs. CVP released their R/C throttles for the Easy Cab

that everybody from the EasyDCC crowd are raving about. I own the Easy Cab

before I switched to DCC and it is super. Keith designed it for a guy with

a fleet of PFM sound equipped brass locomotive who didn't go with DCC.

Bryan Lemonds

Here is my thought. ----- Original Message -----

From: "Jim Six" jimsix@...>

To: "Bryan K. Lemonds" bklemonds@...>; ldsig@egroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

> Bryan,

>

> I am open to minimum radius, but really wish to go 36-inch or better but

> feel this may not be possible. As for locomotives I will be running

> anything from an NKP Berkshire 2-8-4 to EMD E6 units. Most of my power

will

> be 4-axle diesels, but there will be a good many 6-axle diesels as well.

I

> do want to run a passenger train here and there, but this will not be part

> of a true operating session of I do model the Norwalk-Bellevue-Fremont

area

> because passenger trains did not operate along these line in my period.

>

> Jim Six

>

> Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

> ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Bryan K. Lemonds" bklemonds@...>

> To: "Jim Six" jimsix@...>

> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:47 PM

> Subject: Re: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

>

>

> > Jim:

> >

> > I would like some more information regarding your needs. I do need to

> know

> > what you want your minimum radius to be & your minimum turnout. What

type

> > of equipment do you intend to run (GP's & 40' or SD's & Passenger Cars.

> >

> > I believe that you can eliminate the duckunder with a loop to loop with

a

> > center peninsula. I hate duckunders personally and will go to great

> lengths

> > to avoid them. I can envision 4 towns with the longest wall being the

> main

> > yard/industrial complex. David Barrows has been doing interesting work

> in

> > Industrial areas as well.

> >

> > Good Luck on the planning.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Bryan Lemonds

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "Jim Six" jimsix@...>

> > To: ldsig@egroups.com>

> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:16 AM

> > Subject: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

> >

> >

> > > Hi! My turn to start a new thread. grin> :~)

> > >

> > > I will be starting construction of a new layout later this Fall. It

is

> to

> > > be fit into a 15.5'x28' rectangular space [room] with an entry door in

> one

> > > corner. You can see the room design at . . .

> > > ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- The

> layout

> > > room in on the left in the drawing.

> > >

> > > I thought that I would toss out my wants, likes and dislikes and see

> what

> > > y'all come up with that I might be able to use in designing the

layout.

> > So,

> > > here goes . . .

> > >

> > > Likes:

> > > (1) NYC and NKP as primary railroads of interest

> > > (2) single level layout

> > > (3) single track mainline with plenty of industries to switch

> > > (4) I love operating "local" trains that make all the pick-ups and

> > set-outs

> > > and have to take the siding for most every other train encountered

> > > (5) 48" to 54" layout height

> > > (6) linear track plan design

> > > (7) around the walls design

> > > (8) can be maintained and operated by myself, not needing a crew of

> > people

> > > (9) can be operated by up to 6 people should guest modelers be on

hand

> > > (10) maximum layout "depth" of about 30-inches

> > > (11) minimum layout depth of about 15-inched

> > > (12) conventional electrical control

> > > (13) walk-around train control where I play as engineer, brakeman,

and

> > > conductor!

> > > (14) Ability to turn it on and let it run

> > > (15) one [hidden] yard that dispatches in both directions???

> > >

> > > Dislikes:

> > > (1) multi-deck layouts

> > > (2) spaghetti-bowl track plans

> > > (3) fast trains that make few if any stops

> > > (4) large yards that eat up layout space that could be used for the

> > > mainline [branchline]

> > > (5) lots of scenery that eat up construction time and resources

> > > (6) hard shell scenery

> > > (7) lichen! grin>

> > > (8) DCC

> > > (9) Tower control

> > > (10) control panels

> > >

> > > Right now, I am researching the area from just east of Norwalk, Ohio

to

> > > Fremont, Ohio. In this stretch both the NYC Norwalk Branch and the

NKP

> > > Wheeling District single track lines paralleled one another in close

> > > proximity which gives me both the NYC and NKP plus single-track rural

> > > operation that has plenty of sidings with customers to service.

> > >

> > > Also, the B&O Sandusky branch interchanged with both the NYC and NKP

at

> > > Monroeville. And, . . . the NKP mainline and PRR Sandusky Branch

> > > intersect/interchange with both the NYC and NKP at Bellevue. Not done

> > yet,

> > > . . . the NYC Big-4 branch interchanged at Clyde just west of

Bellevue.

> > >

> > > I have pretty much decided that this is the area I want to model. The

> > > question is, what will be the layout design/track plan? How much of

> this

> > > area can be fit into my available space? This is where I believe that

> > y'all

> > > will be able to help -- I hope! 8~)

> > >

> > > From the Great North American "Outback,"

> > > Jim Six

> > >

> > > Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

> > > ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

---------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

>







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#15363 Aug 29, 2000

In a message dated 8/28/00 12:50:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

bklemonds@... writes:

< 36" radius curves if you are running 2-8-4's on your

layout. That is what I am using but I really could use more with my

4-8-4's. >>

My standard on S&LS No. 11 is 36" radius and I do run several 4-axle

locomotives. However, I relented on the inner circle of the s.g. helix and

put in 32" radius. No problems in five years with northerns, mountains, etc.

eric



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#15510 Aug 29, 2000

-----Original Message-----

From: Bryan K. Lemonds bklemonds@...>

To: LDSIG ldsig@egroups.com>; Jim Six jimsix@...>

Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:39 PM

Subject: Re: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

Jim: I read with amazement about the "need" for 36" or even 42"-radius

curves in HO, as my Lobaugh CNW Berkshire goes around 36" radius where that

radius was genuinely needed in order to have a peninsula at all, and it

sounds as if you really need that extra run in your modest single-level

space. That peninsula is my only OUTSIDE curve, the visual worst case, but

it's partially viewblocked, and much better than the idea of going without

almost half my layout to avoid that brief annoyance. And by the way, that's

an o-scale Berk with a center driver blinded. Given the oversize flanges

found on most engines, it probably improves the general appearance! I've

found that the real mechanical minimums for radius have to do with shrouded

engines and passenger cars, and that's what will finally force me up to

about 48" in my next o-scale layout (following some careful mechanical

testing at some slightly tighter radius), since we're tired of fine tuning

the (shrouded Atlantic) Hiawatha engine (with plastic pilot wheels

substituted) and its cars to get around that dim corner. Meanwhile, go for

the 54" layout height rather than 48"--higher looks better, and that's not

even high. If you doubt this, put a half circle of even 42" radius on the

ground--anything running on it will still look toylike below you. Put what

radius works in a cut or otherwise viewblock it, because the alternative is

unthinkable, and you have lots more trains and things to run than just that

Berk.

Chris Bond

>Jim:

>

>I would stick to 36" radius curves if you are running 2-8-4's on your

>layout. That is what I am using but I really could use more with my

>4-8-4's. Let me work on it awhile and I will get back to you.

>

>You might want to check out Easy Cab from CVP Products. It is a DC product

>with walk around cabs. CVP released their R/C throttles for the Easy Cab

>that everybody from the EasyDCC crowd are raving about. I own the Easy Cab

>before I switched to DCC and it is super. Keith designed it for a guy with

>a fleet of PFM sound equipped brass locomotive who didn't go with DCC.

>

>Bryan Lemonds

>

>Here is my thought.

>----- Original Message -----

>From: "Jim Six" jimsix@...>

>To: "Bryan K. Lemonds" bklemonds@...>; ldsig@egroups.com>

>Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:45 PM

>Subject: Re: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

>

>

>> Bryan,

>>

>> I am open to minimum radius, but really wish to go 36-inch or better but

>> feel this may not be possible. As for locomotives I will be running

>> anything from an NKP Berkshire 2-8-4 to EMD E6 units. Most of my power

>will

>> be 4-axle diesels, but there will be a good many 6-axle diesels as well.

>I

>> do want to run a passenger train here and there, but this will not bepart >> of a true operating session of I do model the Norwalk-Bellevue-Fremont

>area

>> because passenger trains did not operate along these line in my period.

>>

>> Jim Six

>>

>> Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

>> ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- ----- Original Message -----

>> From: "Bryan K. Lemonds" bklemonds@...>

>> To: "Jim Six" jimsix@...>

>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:47 PM

>> Subject: Re: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

>>

>>

>> > Jim:

>> >

>> > I would like some more information regarding your needs. I do need to

>> know

>> > what you want your minimum radius to be & your minimum turnout. What

>type

>> > of equipment do you intend to run (GP's & 40' or SD's & Passenger Cars.

>> >

>> > I believe that you can eliminate the duckunder with a loop to loop with

>a

>> > center peninsula. I hate duckunders personally and will go to great

>> lengths

>> > to avoid them. I can envision 4 towns with the longest wall being the

>> main

>> > yard/industrial complex. David Barrows has been doing interestingwork >> in

>> > Industrial areas as well.

>> >

>> > Good Luck on the planning.

>> >

>> > Best Regards,

>> >

>> > Bryan Lemonds

>> >

>> >

>> > ----- Original Message -----

>> > From: "Jim Six" jimsix@...>

>> > To: ldsig@egroups.com>

>> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 10:16 AM

>> > Subject: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

>> >

>> >

>> > > Hi! My turn to start a new thread. grin> :~)

>> > >

>> > > I will be starting construction of a new layout later this Fall. It

>is

>> to

>> > > be fit into a 15.5'x28' rectangular space [room] with an entry doorin >> one

>> > > corner. You can see the room design at . . .

>> > > ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- The

>> layout

>> > > room in on the left in the drawing.

>> > >

>> > > I thought that I would toss out my wants, likes and dislikes and see

>> what

>> > > y'all come up with that I might be able to use in designing the

>layout.

>> > So,

>> > > here goes . . .

>> > >

>> > > Likes:

>> > > (1) NYC and NKP as primary railroads of interest

>> > > (2) single level layout

>> > > (3) single track mainline with plenty of industries to switch

>> > > (4) I love operating "local" trains that make all the pick-ups and

>> > set-outs

>> > > and have to take the siding for most every other train encountered

>> > > (5) 48" to 54" layout height

>> > > (6) linear track plan design

>> > > (7) around the walls design

>> > > (8) can be maintained and operated by myself, not needing a crew of

>> > people

>> > > (9) can be operated by up to 6 people should guest modelers be on

>hand

>> > > (10) maximum layout "depth" of about 30-inches

>> > > (11) minimum layout depth of about 15-inched

>> > > (12) conventional electrical control

>> > > (13) walk-around train control where I play as engineer, brakeman,

>and

>> > > conductor!

>> > > (14) Ability to turn it on and let it run

>> > > (15) one [hidden] yard that dispatches in both directions???

>> > >

>> > > Dislikes:

>> > > (1) multi-deck layouts

>> > > (2) spaghetti-bowl track plans

>> > > (3) fast trains that make few if any stops

>> > > (4) large yards that eat up layout space that could be used for the

>> > > mainline [branchline]

>> > > (5) lots of scenery that eat up construction time and resources

>> > > (6) hard shell scenery

>> > > (7) lichen! grin>

>> > > (8) DCC

>> > > (9) Tower control

>> > > (10) control panels

>> > >

>> > > Right now, I am researching the area from just east of Norwalk, Ohio

>to

>> > > Fremont, Ohio. In this stretch both the NYC Norwalk Branch and the

>NKP

>> > > Wheeling District single track lines paralleled one another in close

>> > > proximity which gives me both the NYC and NKP plus single-track rural

>> > > operation that has plenty of sidings with customers to service.

>> > >

>> > > Also, the B&O Sandusky branch interchanged with both the NYC and NKP

>at

>> > > Monroeville. And, . . . the NKP mainline and PRR Sandusky Branch

>> > > intersect/interchange with both the NYC and NKP at Bellevue. Notdone >> > yet,

>> > > . . . the NYC Big-4 branch interchanged at Clyde just west of

>Bellevue.

>> > >

>> > > I have pretty much decided that this is the area I want to model.The >> > > question is, what will be the layout design/track plan? How much of

>> this

>> > > area can be fit into my available space? This is where I believethat >> > y'all

>> > > will be able to help -- I hope! 8~)

>> > >

>> > > From the Great North American "Outback,"

>> > > Jim Six

>> > >

>> > > Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

>> > > ---Links-Are-Forbidden--- > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

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>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>







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#15519 Aug 30, 2000

Chris,

I could easily go down to 28 or even 24 inch radius and the trains would

track well. The reason for wanting at least a 36-inch radius is purely

visual. Hell, . . . I'd like to have 92-inch minimum radius as they have on

the modular layout built by the League of Non-Aligned Modelers in North

Carolina. You ought to see the HO-scale 86-foot high cubes roll around

those curves! AWESOME, . . . purely awesome.

From west of the Alleghenies,

Jim Six

Visit my IMPROVED model railroad website at:

---Links-Are-Forbidden--- ----- Original Message -----

From: "D S Bond" dsbond@...>

To: "LDSIG" ldsig@egroups.com>; "Jim Six" jimsix@...>; "Bryan K.

Lemonds" bklemonds@...>

Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 5:23 PM

Subject: Re: [ldsig] Jim needs layout design help

> Jim: I read with amazement about the "need" for 36" or even 42"-radius

> curves in HO, as my Lobaugh CNW Berkshire goes around 36" radius where

that

> radius was genuinely needed in order to have . . .



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#15716 Aug 31, 2000

Craig, one thing comes to mind I might suggest to Jim here.

Having a view block/backdrop that doesn't fully hide the staging area;

say just above eye level; might be of benefit. If an unobtrusive (ie

valance curves up to and attaches to the underside of) shelf were there,

equiptment could be placed on the shelf to be passes back and forth. Kinda

like a chefs window (I need a hot Pastrami, hold the mustard (g)). this so

one would not have to duck underneath holding model cars or locos.

I suggest this because of Jim having lots of, and a variety of,

equiptment.

JonC.............SP Inyo Sub.

Mojave to Battle Mountain over Montgomery Pass

Serving the Owens Valley and the Potash Industry







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#15724 Aug 31, 2000

Hi Jon

< Having a view block/backdrop that doesn't fully hide the staging area;

say just above eye level; might be of benefit. If an unobtrusive (ie

valance curves up to and attaches to the underside of) shelf were there,

equiptment could be placed on the shelf to be passes back and forth.

Kinda

like a chefs window (I need a hot Pastrami, hold the mustard (g)).>>

That would be acceptable, though I'd figured an under-layout shelf or

rolling table next to the moles' duck-under would serve that purpose.

This idea would require more under-layout car storage, where I'd imagined

ready-access multiple shelves attached to the back side of the backdrop

framing, above the staging yard. But, it would work.

< this so one would not have to duck underneath holding model cars or

locos.

I suggest this because of Jim having lots of, and a variety of,

equiptment. >>

Also, Linda Sand wrote, in relation to the orientation of the peninsula:

< ...Or flip the whole thing and have the door enter into the staging

aisle for

better access for restaging. >>

I thought about that once I realized I'd goofed (D'OH!) but felt it would

make the entry / egress duckunder considerably wider than it otherwise

has to be, and introduces model RR thoughts as each operator sees the

staging yard every time they enter or exit the layout room.

Philosophically, I think it works better to keep the staging yard hidden

from view at the far end of the room. Of course, that's a personal

choice on my part, technically there is no significant difference.

Craig ("Cookie, another Extra 79 West, hold the pickles!") Bisgeier,

Clifton, NJ

"Three things are certain:

Death, Taxes and Lost Data.

Guess which has occurred." - Windows Error Message Haiku






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