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#8522 Dec 16, 2005

I think Randal was barely the better candidate. I think his point

was okay about the show being about one Apprentice. However, he

could have had more tact. He could have said, "Mr. Trump, today is

about picking one Apprentice. I deserve to be that apprentice.

Rebecca is a talented and strong individual and she may well serve

you in some capacity in your organization, but if it comes down to

one, I am the better choice for your Apprentice." Then he'd be

covered. My wife says that there was some apparent tension between

Randal and Rebecca. When Randal came one, I don't think he even

acknowledged her. He seemed to have something twisting in him. And

her cheshire smile suggested either smugness like she won an

argument or that she was hiding some kind of discomfort, like maybe

they got scolded before going on.

Randal doesn't seem to have an edge. He's a very "inside the box"

kind of guy. And, he wouldn't have been nearly as successful if he

hadn't had such powerful teams. He never really led a team out of

the trenches. Sure General Swarzkopf (whatever) could win a war.

He had the best team. Try winning with inferior numbers and

inferior weapons. That's the sign of a truly great leader. If the

Lakers played my high school basketball team, they BETTER win (in

fact, Shaq did play in my high school gym my senior year. They

killed us. First time our scoreboard saw triple digits.) It

doesn't reflect anything on the coach.

But, on to Randal's racistness.

There is no doubt that Randal is very book smart. But, did anyone

else noticed when they did the preview of his BCT Consulting company

that EVERY employee was black!? There were at least 12 people in

that conference room. All black. There were at least 50 people at

his party. All black. If he's going to be "big business", he

better learn to integrate! I own a small business with 4

employees. Two are hispanic. It's not hard to find at least ONE

qualified cracker, spic, chink, or kike (ran out of slurs). What's

up Randal? Not going to hire me because I'm white? Or are

there "no qualified non-blacks" in your world. He may be the

perfect brain for Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition, or head the

operations of the NAACP, but Trump better observe this guy. Sure,

he worked with crackers just fine in the Apprentice...because he had

to. But when he had the chance to hire people in his company or be

friends with people, he chose ALL BLACK. And when he got to pick

his team, yup, make sure you REPRESENT MA BROTHER! Picked the black

girl to come back. She was okay, but was she one of the strongest

people? Hmmm. Not sure.

At my company, we hire the best applicants. Show me you can make

this company money and I'll give you a shot. But I won't hire you

just because of your race, whether your white "like me", or you're

not...for "diversity". Give me the BEST employees, regardless







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#8540 Dec 16, 2005

That's a brilliant idea. If Randall had said that Rebecca is an educated,

capable, superior person and no executive would pass up a chance to hire

her...which is true...

THEN said tonight being my night, I would respectfully ask that you hire her

NEXT week...then flashed that engaging smile of his...

he would have gotten a huge laugh from Donald and company, a rousing cheer

from the audience (instead of being booed), and he would have looked like

the shining star he is. Plus he would have gotten the spotlight that night

for himself, which he did truly deserve.

Michele



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#8569 Dec 16, 2005

Considering Randall lives and works in Newark, NJ, and less than 25%

of the city is white, you may want to re-think your post.

I thought Randall's move was narrow-minded and selfish, but it

wasn't racist.

Jim



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#8572 Dec 16, 2005

Randal never once brought attention to race, no, his personality is one that is complex, but I didn't feel any race related traits. He is very high on his accomplishments, not a bad thing, but his desire to control things because of his degrees will be a factor in this club. Many capable and talented people to work with now, with a goal and a public interest that his little partnership can't equate to.

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#8582 Dec 16, 2005

I agree, but you beat me to posting this. I don't see anything wrong with Randal employing mostly black people, as that is probably in the majority in that geographical area. It also might be most of his job applicants besides. As long as they work hard, I highly doubt that they got the job because Randal is a "racist".

I also don't think Randal's move last night was "racist" either.Considering Randall lives and works in Newark, NJ, and less than 25% of the city is white, you may want to re-think your post.

I thought Randall's move was narrow-minded and selfish, but it wasn't racist.Jim







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#8601 Dec 17, 2005

Well, good thing my degree is in engineering. While I've forgotten

more math than most people will ever know, I am a little rusty at

basic multiplication. Let's see....25% of city is white, assuming

all of his friends and job applicants come from the city, and, per

my observation, all 12 conference room people and 50 people at the

party were black...seems like (25% of 65) he's missing about 16

white people. Where's the diversity? Okay, let's assume that he

only hires and hangs with people on his level. That'd be highly

educated, good background (I assume he came from a good background)

types....I'm thinking that's made of more than 25% whites...at

least, that's what the black community has been telling us, that the

white man has the advantage and is disproportionately in the upper

eschelons of education and the privileged economic strata. Bottom

line is that he clearly is biased toward blacks. Now, I can

understand hanging with people that you have something in common

with, especially culturally, but that might even be more to my

point. What is the percent of blacks at MIT? Oxford? Hmmm. Doubt

it's even 17% (or 50% like in Newark). Seems like he's making even

more of a point to be a racist and an exclusionist. It's too bad

that he's clearly identified race as a criteria for selecting his

employees and friends. Just when you think you've found someone who

has risen above it.

Interestingly enough, kudos to you on your knowledge of Newark! Or

maybe lucky guess.

According to the 2000 US Census:

Newark, New Jersey:

275,000 people

26% white (white as they call us)

53% black (African-American as they call them...why am I not

European-American?)

30% hispanic (no hispanics in his organization or friend pool either)

and 30% single mother households. That's a shame. It's hard enough

with two-income families these days...

--- In The_Apprentice@yahoogroups.com, "tookool2b4gotten"







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#8602 Dec 17, 2005

True, he's no Omarosa. He didn't, and possibly never has, relied on

his race for a leg up. He's clearly a remarkably bright

individual. HOWEVER, actions speak louder than words. I found it

odd that someone of his caliber would not have a SINGLE whitey in

his support group/party, and not a SINGLE whitey shown (could have

been a janitor in the background or something) at his office. At

Trump Org, he'll have to not be prejudice. And I think he's

perfectly capable of that. I just think that his past might have

not shown it.

Now, granted, he did have to consider his partners. Perhaps the

other two partners of BCT insisted on all black hires. Randall

seems more like an excellent right hand man, so maybe he didn't give

BCT its direction. It was he and two college friends as I recall.

I guess it was the other two black people at Oxford(?) So much

talent to choose from. Strange that there's no integration



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#8603 Dec 17, 2005

You know, when a successful black person is around mostly white people, he is criticized by blacks for forgetting about "his people". When he is mostly around blacks, then now he gets criticized for being "racist"? What-ever.

Your "census" numbers don't really prove anything, since they do not necessarily apply to the exact location where Randal's business is, and also they do not reveal how many APPLICANTS Randal has had who are not black.

And anyway, that doesn't have anything to do with his performance on The Apprentice thisseason, or with what happened at the finale.

As previously stated, Randalhas never brought up race - not once.

And also, someone had said that he only picked Marshawn because she is black. I happen to think that Marshawn is one of the top candidates from this or ANY season, and I thinkshe would'vebeen great in the final twoagainst Randal. ShehasA LOT more going for her than just being the other blackcandidate. Like I said, people are individuals, like or dislikepeopleand/or their actions based on who they are and what they do, not on what "group" they belong to.Well, good thing my degree is in engineering. While I've forgotten more math than most people will ever know, I am a little rusty at basic multiplication. Let's see....25% of city is white, assuming all of his friends and job applicants come from the city, and, permy observation, all 12 conference room people and 50 people at the party were black...seems like (25% of 65) he's missing about 16 white people. Where's thediversity? Okay, let's assume that he only hires and hangs with people on his level. That'd be highly educated, good background (I assume he came from a good background) types....I'm thinking that's made of more than 25% whites...at least, that's what the black community has been telling us, that the white man has the advantage and is disproportionately in the upper eschelons of education and the privileged economic strata. Bottom line is that he clearly is biased toward blacks. Now, I can understand hanging with people that you have something in common with, especially culturally, but that might even be more to my point. What is the percent of blacks at MIT? Oxford? Hmmm. Doubt it's even 17% (or 50% like in Newark). Seems like he's making even more of a point to be a racist and an exclusionist. It's too bad that he's clearly identified race as a criteria for selecting his employees and friends. Just whenyou think you've found someone who has risen above it.

Interestingly enough, kudos to you on your knowledge of Newark! Or maybe lucky guess.

According to the 2000 US Census:

Newark, New Jersey:

275,000 people26% white (white as they call us)53% black (African-American as they call them...why am I not European-American?)30% hispanic (no hispanics in his organization or friend pool either)

and 30% single mother households. That's a shame. It's hard enough with two-income families these days







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#8608 Dec 17, 2005

Ok seriously, race has nothing to do with it....so stop reading that much into it. The fact of the matter is, Randal is a whiny little hobag that wanted the spotlight on him and only him. Before last night's episode, I actually really like him, but now, he's a frickin douche bag. He had the chance to do something really amazing for Rebecca........yes I realize that there's only one Apprentice...blah blah blah, but come on now. He had an opportunity to do something that no one else will be able to (except DT of course) and he decided to be a 4 year old kid and decide that he was the only kid who got to be able to play in the sand box. I lost a lot of respect for him, and I really hope that Rebecca gets a chance to kick his ass at some point.

Well, good thing my degree is in engineering. While I've forgotten more math than most people will ever know, I am a little rusty at basic multiplication. Let's see....25% of city is white, assuming all of his friends and job applicants come from the city, and, permy observation, all 12 conference room people and 50 people at the party were black...seems like (25% of 65) he's missing about 16 white people. Where's the diversity? Okay, let'sassume that he only hires and hangs with people on his level. That'd be highly educated, good background (I assume he came from a good background) types....I'm thinking that's made of more than 25% whites...at least, that's what the black community has been telling us, that the white man has the advantage and is disproportionately in the upper eschelons of education and the privileged economic strata. Bottom line is that he clearly is biased toward blacks. Now, I can understand hanging with people that you have something in common with, especially culturally, but that might even be more to my point. What is the percent of blacks at MIT? Oxford? Hmmm. Doubt it's even 17% (or 50% like in Newark). Seems like he's making even more of a point to be a racist and an exclusionist. It's too bad that he's clearly identified race as a criteria for selecting his employees and friends. Just when you think you've foundsomeone who has risen above it.

Interestingly enough, kudos to you on your knowledge of Newark! Or maybe lucky guess.

According to the 2000 US Census:

Newark, New Jersey:

275,000 people26% white (white as they call us)53% black (African-American as they call them...why am I not European-American?)30% hispanic (no hispanics in his organization or friend pool either)

and 30% single mother households. That's a shame. It's hard enough with two-income families these days...



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#8612 Dec 17, 2005

I wasn't reading "that much into it". I made some very good points in responding to a post basically going on and on about how it's so "racist" of Randal to have mostly or all blacks working at his company. I included the post I was responding to, so this should have been MORE than obvious. Furthermore, I stated that Randal has NEVER brought up race, and then you responded with "race has nothing to do with it". What is your point in response to what I said?

Well, good thing my degree is in engineering. While I've forgotten more math than most people will ever know, I am a little rusty at basic multiplication. Let's see....25% of city is white, assuming all of his friends and job applicants come from the city, and, permy observation, all 12 conference room people and 50 people at the party were black...seems like (25% of 65) he's missing about 16 white people. Where's the diversity? Okay, let's assume that he only hires and hangs with people on his level. That'd be highly educated, good background (I assume he came from a good background) types....I'm thinking that's made of more than 25% whites...at least, that's what the black community has been telling us, that the white man has theadvantage and is disproportionately in the upper eschelons of education and the privileged economic strata. Bottom line is that he clearly is biased toward blacks. Now, I can understand hanging with people that you have something in common with, especially culturally, but that might even be more to my point. What is the percent of blacks at MIT? Oxford? Hmmm. Doubt it's even 17% (or 50% like in Newark). Seems like he's making even more of a point to be a racist and an exclusionist. It's too bad that he's clearly identified race as a criteria for selecting his employees and friends. Just when you think you've found someone who has risen above it.

Interestingly enough, kudos to you on your knowledge of Newark! Or maybe lucky guess.

According to the 2000 US Census:

Newark, New Jersey:

275,000 people26% white (white as they call us)53% black (African-American as they call them...whyam I not European-American?)30% hispanic (no hispanics in his organization or friend pool either)

and 30% single mother households. That's a shame. It's hard enough with two-income families these days







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#8619 Dec 17, 2005

This discussion about 'Randal the racist' is absurd. My office

doesn't have any black employees and I don't have any black

friends. That's just how it happens to be. That doesn't mean I'm a

racist!

I agree with your comments now it's time to drop this topic



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#8630 Dec 17, 2005

Well, you can't blame people for speculating since NBC chose to air

this particular footage about Randal. However, looking at his company

from a different viewpoint, Randal is hiring talented people whose

talents were not fully appreciated by other companies. And perhaps his

clients are doing the same by hiring his company. In other words, his

employees and clients may be black not because he discriminates, but

because so many others have. And don't forget, this is what NBC

showed. Maybe they wanted the controversy. Or maybe they wanted to

show how Randal gives back to his community. Or maybe they wanted to

show that a predominantly black company lead by gifted black

executives can be tremendously successful. And as others have pointed

out, you have to consider the local demographics, not the national.

I wonder if people would be as upset with an all female construction

firm for example? Or would they cheer them on?

Ann



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#8645 Dec 17, 2005

I agree with you about showing tact, but as far your criticism of

Randell for not having an representative workforce, give me a break.

Take a good look at the business world. Is the business world

representative of Black America? Is Hollywood? Is politics? Is the

police force? Is there even any mainstream American institution,

aside from sports (and ironically the army), reflecting the make-uk

of African Americans in the population?

It's called evening out an extreme imbalance, although there is

surely a lot more nepotism needed before things are even close to

representative







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#8649 Dec 17, 2005

You don't have any black people? Do you have any non-whites? What

are the percent of whites in your community? How big is your

company? Plus, be careful. If you have all whites, and you have

more than just a few people, look out lawsuit. No black friends?

Do you have 50 people that would show up to your party? And are

they all white? I'm not saying Randall even had to have a white

guy. But there were no Asians, Hispanics, or otherwise either. And

you can't tell me there aren't a ton of smart Asians running around

MIT! Newark has half blacks, and then the next most prominent group

is hispanics. Between whites and hispanics, constituting basically

the other half of Newark, there wasn't ONE qualified applicant?

Randall would probably make me sit in the back of the Escalade too,

if I was on his team and following his Maybach.

I went to Texas A & M. Redneck school. And my roommate and best

friend was Indian. He was so dark people though he was black (good

to get past bouncers in Houston though). His extended group of

friends included people from just about every race you can imagine.

Just because you're from a different race or culture, and especially

if you're from a distinguished educational background, doesn't mean

you have to climb back into your racial security blanket. Randall's

historical lack of diversity suggests that, while he never mentioned

race that I recall, and he's CLEARLY no Omarosa, he ain't color

blind either



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#8655 Dec 17, 2005

All the things you mention shows he's using race as a qualifier.

I'm a bit sensitive to it, but it screams out discrimination. Are

his employees the best applicants? or the best BLACK applicants?

So the lowest qualified black employee was better qualified than the

best qualified white...or non-black for that matter (with 30%

hispanics in Newark)? Hmmm.

And these were his neighborhood's statistics...not national.

Hell, I was the president of the Randall fan club in our house from

day one (or two) until that last show.

Martha Stewart doesn't just hire women.

Meg Whitman doesn't just hire women.

I'll bet Carolyn doesn't just hire women.

Bill Parsons doesn't just hire blacks.

Isaac Mizrahi doesn't just hire gays.

Jesse Jackson doesn't .... okay, never mind.

Hell, even pro basketball, which is dominated by blacks, doesn't

have an ALL black team that I'm aware of. They always seem to have

a token cracker or giant Chinese guy (in our case in Houston)

White people marched next to MLK too you know. Even he had white

supporters.

--- In The_Apprentice@yahoogroups.com, "Ann Williams"







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#8680 Dec 18, 2005

You may be a "White" person with some non-White friends, but that

makes your exceptional. Just as most Afro-Americans do not associate

with caucasians due to economic segregation, the majority of White

Americans don't have "Black" friends; and I imagine you've never

raised a storm over this or the many (millions) of White American

business owners (small, medium, and large) who refuse to hire one

Black, Latino, South Asian, East Asian, or Aboriginal employee,

besides as their maintenance workers or secretaries.

Or at least, I suspect you haven't



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#8686 Dec 18, 2005

Ya - I'm referring to the U.S



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#8694 Dec 18, 2005

In the real world

>> Ya - I'm referring to theU.S. < Got me.JMarguerite



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#8706 Dec 18, 2005

Randal an American Dream, Rebecca an American Nightmare

Got me.JMarguerite



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#8707 Dec 18, 2005

I just know Im going to kick myselffor asking, but . . . What the heck are you talking about? Marguerite From:The_Apprentice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:The_Apprentice@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Onedogg24

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 20059:09 AM

To: The_Apprentice@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [The_Apprentice] Re:Randal the racist?

Randal an American Dream, Rebecca an AmericanNightmare

MU.S.<



Got me.

J

Marguerite



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#8749 Dec 20, 2005



You know what is funny is the assumptions that lead you to believe

what you do. Oxford is not the only college Randall attended. He

also attended Rutgers in New Jersey and that is where he met the

friends that became his partners. He also goes to church with some of

his partners. I would guess there are not many of his college

classmates from England who chose to come and reside in New Jersey







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#8751 Dec 20, 2005

much into it. The fact of the matter is, Randal is a whiny little

hobag that wanted the spotlight on him and only him. Before last

night's episode, I actually really like him, but now, he's a frickin

douche bag. He had the chance to do something really amazing for

Rebecca........yes I realize that there's only one Apprentice...blah

blah blah, but come on now. He had an opportunity to do something

that no one else will be able to (except DT of course) and he decided

to be a 4 year old kid and decide that he was the only kid who got to

be able to play in the sand box. I lost a lot of respect for him, and

I really hope that Rebecca gets a chance to kick his ass at some point.

Rebecca will get ahead just from the exposure just as many of the

candidates will. It was Randal's time to shine. It shouldn't have

been taken away from him. I'm sorry, Rebecca is good, but no I don't

think she deserved this over Randall. He simply has more experience



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#8790 Dec 21, 2005

--- In The_Apprentice@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa"



The other hidden point here is that he only knows college-educated

Black people from his alma mater. I'm guessing the point about 2

black attending Oxford was meant as sarcasm


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